Originally Posted by
jfowler85
That's followed by long winded response. Not sure you were aware that you did that.
Yes.
Originally Posted by
jfowler85
Of course the perception doesn't match up with reality, that's not the point. Perhaps I didn't make it clear - the point is to say that the perception exists.
And you think the reaction to unfair stereotypes not based in reality is to act as though they are justified by insisting that cyclists be more obedient to traffic laws? That's an illogical and ineffective response.
Originally Posted by
jfowler85
No one is going after other cyclists here
I disagree:
Originally Posted by
jfowler85
There is no reason to perpetuatute the cycling subculture which promotes things like running red lights - in fact us law abiders should make an effort to combat this.
Maybe by "combat this," you mean only that "law abiders" should work extra-hard to abide by the laws, but that's a fairly tortured reading. First of all, you say that there's a "cycling subculture which promotes things like running red lights," which is a false statement. Or if it is true, it is at least as true that there is a driving subculture that promotes these things. Certainly speeding by drivers is far more prevalent than red light running by cyclists. Second of all, the implication of "making an effort to combat this" is strongly denouncing or otherwise going after cyclists that do break these laws.