Let me also add...the LBS that offers the Bad Boy also includes 3 free tuneups. 1st being two months in. the other two have no expiry date. Plus 10 % off accessories for life. They are quite a professional shop with a couple of measurement bikes for proper setup, one even hooked up to a computer and camera. Probably the most high end race bikes in town too. So I do feel that I will always be looked after. The Shop that has the Seek, much much smaller. No mention of included value (tune ups / discounts). Nice enough guy, I think it's more of a husband and wife team. But I almost feel that I would be just a one time customer in that regard. Looking at making this decision next weekend. I will find out for sure what is included when I go for the final rides on these bikes.

One more thing....The giant has dot4 hydraulics not mineral oil. Any thoughts.

Thanks for you input folks