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Old 05-14-14 | 03:10 PM
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Bikes: 1997 Rivendell Road Standard 650b conversion (tourer), 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10 (gravel/tour), 2013 Foundry Auger disc (CX/gravel), 2016 Cannondale Fat CAAD 2 (MTB/winter), 2011 Cannondale Flash 29er Lefty (trail MTB)

Originally Posted by grolby
Thin-walled (read: expensive) steel is springy. Commodity 4130 used to make most budget steel frames is thick-walled and doesn't have any particular advantage in ride quality over aluminum.
All steel is springy, but what matters is whether you can feel that spring. Like you said, the gauge of the tubing makes the most difference.

High-end heat treated steel can be thin-walled because it's strong. That means it will bend to and fro but spring back to its original position.

"Normal" 4130 CroMo steel has to be drawn a bit thicker because it's not quite as strong. That means it may flex a bit, but you may not feel it as much.

Cheapo steel is high-tensile, and it has to be damn thick. Usually it is non-butted. Think old cheap MTB frames: heavy but indestructible because of the thick-walled tubes.

I don't know the gauge of tubing used in Surly and All-City bikes. I understand the LHT rides like a brick unloaded, but feels pretty good with a bunch of weight on it. I really hope that Surly uses thinner tubing in its roadie models like the Pacer.

Soma has some options in heat-treated Tange Prestige, for pretty reasonable prices:
Smoothie ($430), ES ($430), Stanyan ($710), and San Marcos ($930). I've seen the 1G San Marcos frames (pearly light blue) on clearance for around $750 online.

I also recommend that the OP keep his eye out for an 80s or 90s frame made from high-end heat treated steel. Since the OP is pretty light, he probably won't feel the comfy springiness on a heavier gauge frame. In the pre-carbon era, there were lots of choices in heat-treated steel and they now can be bought for relatively cheap. You can fit modern mechs on most any high end 90s steel frame.

I have two '97 bikes with thin-wall heat treated steel frames, one in Reynolds 753 and one in French Excelle Eco tubing. Each gives a better ride than any carbon or aluminum bike I've ridden.
I also have an '88 bike in Tange Prestige, but it must have thick-walled tubes because it's inflexible, even under my 230#. That bike is a rigid MTB, eventually destined to become a loaded tourer.
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