My views on lugs and welds are bicycle specific. They may be relevant to this thread if they free people up from feeling they are buying an inferior product, in whatever way, to a lugged frame.

There are obviously things being done with steel frames and lugs, even structurally, that one hardly sees with TIG, but that may have a lot to do with poppycock assumptions about lugs.

There are thousands of people making chopper frames right now. I've never photed any of my stuff. I still can't somach the cost of the drive train so my project is stalled at the frame level.

I started a rip-off bike friday frame thread on the folding bike side. Keep posted for any glacial progress over there.

Anyone have any CAD or specs on head tube or BBs?.