[QUOTE=halfspeed]I think she can get plenty close with lugs. My Mercian road bike is a 61cm c-t seat tube with a 57.5 cm top tube. The head and seat angles are both 73 degrees. Paterek isn't necessarily gospel either. It's time to talk to frame builders instead of just random forum posters.


I agree Paterek is not gospel nor Bill Boston nor any of them. I posted this quandry to the good folks on the frame builders list. Hoping someone will come to bat, and build lorrer a bike.
Lugs only bend so much, 2 degrees maximum according to Henry James, and Kirk Pacenti who provide most of the investment cast lugs, and bb shells used by custom builders in the usa. Thats why I thought lugs were out. I have not drawn it up yet, but I still do not think the st/dt angle will work looking at a 2.8 degree bend at the bottom bracket shell. Maybe things can get tweaked around and still maintain the same geometry, don't know.
TIG is great way to build a frame, no worries about angles, cut your tube copes (or miters) and weld away. I do not need a tig welder and odd angles, lugs fit my personal geometry fine without bending them. I am not a professional builder, but I do understand the principals and do not worry about what it costs me to build a bicycle frame. Doubt I will make more than 6 frames period. I can only ride them one at a time. Looking forward to the introduction of reynolds 953 next year I am on the list and ready to buy a tube set, as soon as they come up with a price.
Draw it up, see if you can make it work with the lugs, and bb shells that are available. I doubt it will work.