i don't stink after a 10 mile sweaty commute when I have had a good scrubbing bath before the ride, clean jersey, clean helmet and clean gloves, wash my jersey every day, the helmet is on the shower floor with me everyday after the ride home from work, gloves get washed every couple days or so, so starting clean I don't even need the bird sink that much, never mind the shower, too much hassle at work, when I start clean I arrive at work not too bad, just sweaty, and i would be ok for several hours untill I ride 10 miles home after work :-), yeah two showers a day but hey natural gas is cheap these days,