Where I think that this forum has had a problem all along is:

Living Car Free was meant to be about how YOU as a bicyclist or public transportation user dealt without owning a motor vehicle...

Not how to completely remove motor vehicles everywhere.

This is by no means a Sandinista kind of forum, it's a co-operative effort to REDUCE overall motor vehicle usage and document the clever ways Bike Forums members have done so. What it should not turn into is an endless VC topic, as there is already an entire A&S forum devoted to that. It shouldn't slip into a P&R or Trollheim subject.