I did wait a few days to give the benefit of the doubt, but just throwing this out there in case a mod, etc sees it and hopefully considers it in similar situations in the future - I originally posted this in the MTB section because I'm looking for a MTB frame. I think they are the people who would know about such things. I wouldn't expect the commuter forum to be particularly MTB frame educated(not that it's anything against them, of course). There are other threads right on the front page of the MTB forum about straight-up commuting on a "MTB"("long term riding on pavement" on a Target "MTB") and even asking about using a kick-stand on a MTB(Obviously nothing to do with MTBing). I feel like my needs are at least in the right direction. I'm looking for advice on buying a decent MTB frame. I'm not sure why I was moved to the commuter forum, but like I said, just hoping that this might bring more consideration before moving someone else's thread in the future if they have a similar situation.