oh yeah, whoever said that judy tt's were crap thanks for the info its incredibly stiff and I can bottom it out also just by bouncing on it, I'm used to my plush marzocchi. It has some kind of preload twisty thing on their but I can't turn it, I know its a preload knob because it says it on the knob.

P.S. next time you guys have one of those forum oscar/grammy things I think there should be a section for bikeforum.net's stupidest bike buyer (me).