Originally Posted by mcrow

I don't see it that way. When a bike shop sells for pretty much MRSP you are paying for the bike, nothing else. Sure, some shops throw in extras to sweeten the deal but, IMO it doesn't increase the value of the bike. So, when I see a BD bike with pretty similar frame, same components and $200 less I can't justify paying the extra for a tune, assembly...ect.

Then again, I can fix and maintain my bikes so that is a factor. Also, from what I read BD isn't bad with CS anymore, very good about replacing things....ect. Still no repair service though, so they will send you a part or replace the bike but you'd have to install parts yourself or pay someone.

I think we all agree that it's hard to beat the components you get with a BD bike but then you are pretty well responsible for your own setup,tune, and repairs. I guess that's what makes it less expensive.

As far as being a better value than a bike from a LBS, if you just lineup component VS component BD is a better value. Not the sort of value that their website would have you believe but they are still significantly cheaper than big brand versions. You are not saving 60%, but 30-40%? Certainly.

I guess the way you have to look at things is how much the relationships with the LBS matters to you, how loyal you are to a given brand and if you have a reasonable level of bike mechanic skills or not. I know when I started to get into non-wally world type bikes, it was reassuring to have the LBS there to help with any problems I might have. However, now that I have experience working with bikes, no brand loyalty and no history with a LBS near me the extra money for the LBS doesn't make sense for me.