thanks for the input. guess the van dessels are out of the picture now and I'm onto either the iro's or a the set off chucks. I've seen quite a bit o talk about the velocity deep v's but not much on the velocity razors that the chucks are. Any input on these? I went on Velocity's site and checked the info they had, but it honestly didn't mean much to me. Thanks for the help... and tolerance
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