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Old 09-02-14 | 03:57 PM
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Athens80
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers
as illustrated by your pic, the car tail light covers a much wider area - it's not a pinpoint of light. The same light over a wider area doesn't affect the eyes as much.
Agreed. I think that is part of the reason why the Dinotte 140R appears as a brighter light at its center; it's not as bright as the 300R but the 300R's light is immediately spread over a bigger lens than the 140's.

Originally Posted by PaulRivers
P.S. I re-read your post and see that you're saying the photo is about what you feel you see, that's just difficult to debate over the internet, so I guess I don't have much to add. My 140l according to what my own eyes see is definitely brighter than a car tail light (not absurdly so, but brighter) so a light with a little more than double the light output seems like it has to be even brighter.
Remember that the Dinotte tail light model numbers do not necessarily correspond evenly to actual lumens. The 300R claimed lumens is, I read, 150. That would make sense since the new quad tail light's claimed lumens are 200. I don't think the 300R presents twice as bright as the 140R to the human eye. mechBgon described it as:
Originally Posted by mechBgon
DiNotte 300R on HIGH. It's not your imagination, the 300R has lower intensity than the 140, because the beam is more diffused.

Originally Posted by PaulRivers
I don't for sure if the 300r is actually bothersome in traffic, as I do not own one and have not seen anyone with one. I have recently several front lights that are bothersome in traffic, even though the person is on the complete opposite side of the street from where I am in my car, so eventually bike lighting does hit that point.
The 300R's lumens are below (if 150) or in the middle (if 300) of a single brake light of a car. As you and I say, light is more bothersome to the human eye the more concentrated it is. I find the 300R on high steady to be roughly as bothersome as a car's incandescent tail light (not the brightest bulb there is) even up close.

A crucial factor in the youtube link posted earlier which you've referred to is that the Dinotte in that video was flashing. Flashing lights appear brighter to the human eye than does the same light on steady. You can't easily compare the actual brightness of a flashing bike light and a steady car tail light or brake light. And the same LED flashing affects us differently than on steady. Flashing may be more valuable in the daytime when you're competing with the sun; at night I run my brighter lights on steady.

From REAR LIGHTING CONFIGURATIONS FOR WINTER MAINTENANCE VEHICLES
Winter maintenance vehicles for snowplowing often operate when visibility is compromised. Rear lighting on snowplows serves two purposes: to alert drivers of nearby vehicles that the snowplow is on the roadway, and to provide cues to those drivers about the snowplow's relative speed and distance. Flashing and strobing lights have been used on snowplows by many departments of transportation, who consider these lights as having high conspicuity and attention-getting properties. However, most accidents involving snowplows are rear-end collisions by other vehicles, and previous research supports the idea that flashing or strobing configurations are less effective than steady-burning lights at providing cues about relative speed, distance and closure to drivers approaching a snowplow from behind. To test this concept, a prototype steady-burning light bar using light-emitting diodes was developed and tested on a snowplow vehicle, which was also equipped with conventional flashing lights. The ability of subjects following snowplows to detect deceleration of the snowplow was measured with each lighting configuration during nighttime field tests conducted while snow was falling. The mean time to detect closure was significantly shorter with the steady-burning light bar than with flashing lights. Subjective ratings of visibility and confidence for judging speed and distance were also higher with a steady-burning light bar than for the conventional system.
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Flashing lights will be perceived as having higher brightness than steady-burning lights....
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