I hope this long post wasn't geared towards me and I made you mad. I wasn't trying to start any arguments among forum members - just seeking general advice. I know all about "dialing in fit", I've been troubleshooting for a while now and know what issues need to be addressed and how my bike should fit and feel. I know I need small stems with narrow bars which are generally on stock frames too small for my long, flexible legs. It's a blessing a curse I suppose - they make bike fitting tough but look great in a short skirt.