Shovel and CDR - Thanks! Looks like the Conti Sprinter and Vittoria Corsa Elite are about what I'm looking for. Since I work at a Specialized shop and can get stuff at around cost, I'm also thinking about the Specialized Turbo Allaround, which isn't in stock yet, but should be before long. Shoot, Specialized has a training tubular with an MSRP of $40...might get a pair of those to practice mounting tubulars.