Originally Posted by
Cyclosaurus
OK, now you're just making things up. I never, ever said that cyclists don't break the law.
You are correct, and it was unfair for me to imply that you did.
Originally Posted by
Cyclosaurus
This is virtually irrelevant to a productive discussion about making roads safer.
This is really what I took issue with. Adherence to laws that are designed to increase safety is definitely relevant to a discussion about making roads safer. Using your logic, motorists are completely entitled to say: "Bicyclists break safety laws, so therefore we are entitled to break these laws too and it is irrelevant to safety to even discuss this." I simply do not agree with your viewpoint.
In any event, we are the group that needs acceptance. Insisting that we will refuse to self-reflect when it comes to unsafe behavior is never going to be effective advocacy. Ever.