Mr. Rusty Bitts [MENTION=276051]pamaguahiker[/MENTION] - thanks so much. those look pretty interesting.
i will ready up on those, see if my LBS deals in Jones stuff.
i'm going to give a set of Randonneur bars a try through the winter and spring. i've got a friend who has a set, hates them, and i've got many sets of standard bars to swap with him.
i'm kind of intrigued by the H-bars.