Coal
I rarely am involved in clinical medicine-but I still have to do CME so I am "forced" to keep up
and my wife has terrible vasculitis-with prednisone induced diabetes-and a HUGE list of "other problems"
so I have a particular interest in diabetes-and in finding ways to decrease the muscle wasting effects(excess corticosteroids more or less turn muscle(amino acids) into glucose-flight or fright ancient evolutionary adaptive response)
Anyway insulin diabetes etc-is a casual interest of mine
Here is one link-not exactly "heading off" but ballpark
I have read actual medical articles-in medscape-that strongly suggested insulin use could/would/might "rest" the over worked beta cells of the pancreas and "maybe,maybe"head off type 2 and maybe maybe maybe even early type 1 cases(granted it is a reach but plausible)
http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/567952
This is just one article-but insulins-especially modern ones(not from cows pigs so they don't induce resistance very often(fewer foreign proteins)) is making a BIG COMEBACK for treating type 2 diabetes-and Just maybe-combined with specific early(but mild) immunosuppression could head off Type1 (which is autoimmune destruction of specific cells in pancreas)
But it is plausible that early insulin-combined with weight loss and exercise(lots of exercise)-could head off type 2-(since pancreas beta cells-are working their little guts out producing insulin for cells that are becoming "resistant" to insulin)
Now plausible-doesn't mean it will work-but certainly worth a try since the "normal therapy" just accepts the type 2 as inevitable
If I was being told-like the OP-that I was prediabetic-I sure as hell would attempt to head it off
IF I thought their "diagnosis" of pre-diabetic was anything more than what you might expect from a HIGH CARB eater.
Carbs are carbs-all the BS about "better carbs" is really hair splitting
Yeah potatoes- really spike your glucose-despite being decent food source-some protein(decent quality for a plant) some Vit C some fiber-yeah good food as carbs go
Anyway low doses of insulin-would be pretty safe for healthy alert slight over weight middle aged guy(low doses meaning 1.2,3 units just before eating if he was using R (fast short acting))
Hells bells insulin- HUGE DOSES- is prescribed for feeble older people who are forgetful- and it rarely KILLS them-and we are talking 50 units/d and more-sometimes multiple doses-varying doses-along with HANDFULS of pills
I will hunt for a better article-but the idea- of using insulin to rest the pancreas-is an old one-plausible-and it is coming back because the current insulins are "better" and the very slowly absorbed-can be pretty safe(but so can tiny doses of R insulin(fast short acting)-operative word being LOW doses-2-units etc)
Bodybuilders-know far far more about muscle building and the drugs that will help-than ANY MD who has ever lived-Granted they are crazy bastards-and the PEDS don't improve their "attitudes" and many many LEOS are on PEDS(just look at those SQUARE LOOKING HEADS-and their unpleasant attitudes)
Anyway bodybuilders have been aware that insulin isn't just a GLUCOSE drug-it also positively effects amino acids entering cells
Some of the WEIGHT GAIN associated with insulin use-(usually with the implication that this is a bad thing) is LEAN MASS- muscle and organs "good" weight gain-especially for a chronically ill person.
Metformin-a commonly prescribed oral agent-cheap effective- CAUSES WEIGHT LOSS-and it is UNCLEAR why?? Now I don't consider unintended weight loss be a "good thing" for older chronically ill people-especially since weight loss is ALWAYS associated with lean mass loss-muscle loss( except in clever body builders and perhaps wrestlers PED users)
Anyway I'm a bit of a crank-and quack on the subject of insulin and oral DM agents-so a few grains of salt should accompany anything I write on the subject
Hypoglycemia-initially trembling hands/shakes sweating (from adrenalin release in response to low glucose- them your brain works less well-so it is hard for the patient to "know" they are hypoglycemic- catch it early-hold your hand out and watch the tremor in your fingers-eat glucose-FAST-SWEET DRINKS are OK but the glucose tablets actually work fastest best-est
Originally Posted by
Coal Buster
Very interesting post, [MENTION=46492]phoebeisis[/MENTION]. Do you have any links or articles you can reference about heading off type 2 using small insulin injections? I ran into a friend I hadn't seen in a while and he told me he'd just been diagnosed as early type 2 (seems to be a pretty common conversation for people in this age group). I'd like to show point him to this line of research.
FWIW, in my experience, they won't test for hgb1AC unless the fasting glucose has already come back high.