All of that is very well put, [MENTION=359043]AlTheKiller[/MENTION]! The concept is great. It's just not for me. My first built had very light wheels, and I liked that. The second one had heavy wheels and mustache handlebars, so it wasn't a good test, but still, there wasn't a good reason for me to keep it, as I have too many bikes, all lighter. But yes, they took what's good of the old stuff, kept it, and added the new stuff, such as canti bosses, room for fat tires. Well done. The colors are too drab, though. I realize it's part of the image, but I see Surly are now looking for women to do free product tests. No wonder they can't get women to buy their stuff. The colors are pretty dumb.