Originally Posted by tetonrider

We've been down this road before. I use a pc7 99% of the time because it is bomber with respect to data. Garmin unfortunately does not meet my standard. Displaying data while not recording is ONE of the ways garmins can have data loss. As said previously, data loss with a garmin is not common but is always irritating (for me and my athletes. ymmv.)

The pc7 differs frm the garmin (and it sounds like the pioneer) in one key way. It is not about the time savings of hitting a button, it is about forgetting to hit a button resulting in missing data. It happens with devices that require one to hit start.

GPs, for me, is something I need only in a handful of situations....and I've nt only been a tester for garmin hardware, a user of garmin products since 1999, and a big supplier of GPS data for the precursor to garmin connect. For the last 4-5 years I realized I didn't need GPS on the road bike except for a few occasions, but I know others need it or like it.

Your teammate is not all that well connected.

People who use a pc7 generally know why they have it. Ask josh about his pc7s (plural).

Anyway, my curiosity was about the pioneer unit. You seem to be asking questions you know the answer to, and making a commentary on devices you've never used. Then again, you used to argue that garmins had no data issues back in the day, but in time you came around. Sometimes there are people who have a different perspective than you and have already been where you're heading.