There is a Saturday AM ride with another group, most of them racers and then there is a PM ride out of a local park that is a hammerfest but with us we just go and enjoy. Just got back from a 62 miler with 42 of those miles riding with 3 other guys, 67 year old, 66 year old, me a 64 yo and the youngster at 53, at a 21.7mph average just a bit slower than Saturday's AM ride of 32 miles at 22.8mph average. No sprinting going on, just good old fashioned long uninterrupted miles.