Originally Posted by
Roody
There is no data on how many converted, and I never made any statement related to that number. I referred only to the millions of Americans who are carfree, a number well supported by census data. His guesses or wild speculations about numbers who "converted" are pointless in the absence of data.
But to say that the unknown number of "converts" is zero is absurd. We can safely assume that some of the more than 10 million people who currently have no car used to have one. In other words, they "converted". Obviously some people did and do convert, since that's pretty much the whole point of this forum--people who are trying to "convert".
Really? Who wrote, "If they focused instead on some of the millions of successful carfree people, the message would be that it is practical and enjoyable to give up the carbon breathing beast." What does "Giving up the carbon breathing beast" mean to you?
Only an obtuse daydreamer would believe that the number of people living in households without a car, as found in Census data, is synonymous with or associated with any number of successful car-free people who have given up their "carbon breathing beast", let alone infers that "millions" of such people have done so. Or that these households represent any number of people who are happy about their car-free status and/or wouldn't successfully change that status if their economic circumstances improved.
Nobody said "zero" people have decided to "give up the carbon breathing beast", only you offer that straw man argument. Only you claim that "millions" have done so.