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Old 12-25-14 | 02:50 PM
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verktyg -

you did just fine with the dropouts. most any of us would have thought just the same. they certainly do bear a strong resemblance to the campag sport. i would imagine that if we could stack a loose campag and agrati on top of each other the congruency would be close to 100%. the presence of the small hole in the agrati to accommodate the spring of a sport model derailleur gives a clue as to when they may have been designed...

wrt dating - suspect our example may be ca. 1973. afaik there seem to have been two importation periods for garlatti machines into the u.s. in each case only one model seems to have been brought in. there was one done in the early 1960's and one done in the early 1970's. more speculation on this below.

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scooper -

cannot agree with you more that the two lug patterns are quite similar. both agrati and nervex are firms of long standing and i have no idea which set came first. one could argue that one company copied the other but i have no guess as to which way that would go. if you look closely at the illustration you posted of the nervex lower head lug you will see that its "ears" point forward while those of the agrati on the garlatti point upward. there are some other small differences as well.

the agrati pattern employed on the garlatti is called ART. 000.8020/E/U "ROMA." the upper head lug is N. 000.8024. the lower head lug is N. 000.8023. the seat lug is N. 023.8059. the bottom bracket shell is N. 005.8057. the fork tips are N. 000.810.

suspect i was mistaken on the hs; now think it an ofmega pattern. iirc both firms did a hs of the pattern.


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wondering about garlatti -

afaik there have only been two importations of these machines into the united states. in each case only one model seems to have been brought in. this has always seemed a bit odd to me since most bicycle manufacturers offer multiple models and sometimes even require importers to "take the entire line." the two or three cycles from the early 1960's import that i have seen were all a deep blue colour and iirc 56cm c-t-t. they were fitted with cottered chainset, ambrosio i-beam stem and bar set, campag hubs, gran sport gears and universal brakes.

VeloBase.com - Component: Ambrosio (girder, vertical bolt)

VeloBase.com - Component: Campagnolo {pre-Nuovo Tipo, medium flange)

assenmacher has some good detail pictures of a deep blue frameset, unidentified as to model or year:

Garlatti - Assenmachers.com

does anyone know who the importers were for these products?

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john nolan -

if you would like to add dropout adjustable stops to the frame there are some bolt in ones done by algi (france) and maeda (japan).

if the seat tube is out of round and you lack a mandrel you can work it somewhat back by inserting the largest pillar that can be fitted and working it round. when this is done you can try going up one size. i keep a set of adjustable reamers in the shop for doing the last little bit to get them completely round again without taking away too much metal. perhaps you could get some assistance with this from a bicycle co-op.

best wishes with the build. the forum's collective knowledge is there to help if you should hit a snag.
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