staehpj1, As everyone knows, saving weight is never about a single inconsequential item, but several inconsequential items. Whether an item is consequential or not is in the mind of the person doing the planning, which can be very subjective.

For my touring bikes I'm pretty comfortable with 20-25 lb. of gear. For one of my road bikes, which I want to use on a twisty route, I'd like to make it into the 10-15 lb. range. The upside is that what works for the roadie will also reduce weight on the touring bike.

Brad