Old 01-06-15 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Leinster
Disagree, on both counts. I've been consciously upstroking on steep, out-of-saddle climbs since I first rode with clips-and-straps when I was 13, to the extent that I now do it unconsciously and my foot comes away when I climb out of the saddle on platforms. You can tell with runners and clips because your foot lifts off the pedal and pulls on the strap. "Plain old body mechanics" tells me I can lift my leg just as well as I can put it down; that's how I climb stairs. And I could climb stairs with 20lb weights around my ankles if I had to. I can exert more power on the down stroke, sure, because my leg lifts 185lbs every time I go up a step, but to say my body is "not capable of making very much upstroke power" is just not true. Even if my upstroke only generates 10% of the power of my downstroke, to ignore the upstroke is to deny myself that 10%.

The pedals are at rigid 180deg, but that doesn't mean pushing on one prevents pulling on the other. Watch some Yacht racing on youtube. The guys hand cranking the sails in and out, as they get to the end of the line down to the 60rpm range they'll be pulling hard up on one side while pushing down hard on the other, they're leveraging one side against the other. No, arms aren't the same as legs, but the 180deg crank principle is similar.

And there's a clear difference between unloading the upstroke, loading the upstroke, and counter-loading the upstroke. One is riding with flats, the 2nd is climbing with foot retention, and the 3rd is a track stand.
Yes, but you know what? Any "up power" you're generating on the upstroke is likely be neutralized by taking that same amount of power away from the downstroke on the other side. In other words, it's a ero net-sum "gain". In fact, you might even be losing something in the mix, because I've seen studies (probably posted on this forum- where else? ) which say that pulling on the upstroke is very power-inefficient.

But I do agree about the platforms-- in that being able to "pull around" is a more natural motion, than just merely unloading- especially at moderate to high RPMs. That is where foot retention offers a benefit; I just don't think it helps us to create any additional power- it just feels good and is more ergonomically efficient.efficient.
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