Originally Posted by unterhausen

modern SL is very good tubing. Problem is, it's better left for experienced builders. Old school SL would have been better. I would suggest starting with a cro-mo, like the typical Nova house tubing or low-end deda or true temper.

I'm not trying to be hard on him at all. It has to be frustrating. But if I screwed up a frame like that for some reason, I would cut it up. I think that is really good advice, and it's good for the soul. Taking a frame apart is harder than putting it together unless there is no penetration at all. And the torch is a problem. He's not going to get it back apart with a propane torch.