Thanks for the info folks! I got a pair of C-dale tights without chamois. I wear shorts under. I got a light weight ,a med and a heavy weight set of smart wool base layer that I wear under the pants and it is working great. Also got some med and heavy jerseys w/ wool base layer. Picked up a Santini Gor-tex jacket to wear over top. Had to vent in 17f so all is good now. The wool is BA!Need to get a better pair of gloves or a heavier liner. Did a double liner and it worked ok, just a bit tight. Got 1 set of Nashbar bibs and they are working well for the 35-45 days but I don't like to layer as they have a chamois in them. Got 3 jerseys,2 tights,4 wool socks, Gloves, full face wool blend hat, 1 wool blend skull cap. Gor-tex jacket, wool glove liners, and base layers, 1 nice pair of ridding glasses from Nashbar for $415. Life is GOOD!
If you have any preference for gloves for the teens feel free to tell me!LOL


Bill