Originally Posted by
scroca
With studded tires you won't know when you ride over black ice except when the sound of the studs changes. That is, of course, as long as you don't try to ride fast around corners on ice.
As for pedals/foot retention, there's at least 2 other threads about this. Why bring your arguments into this one too?
Pedals/foot retention in a context of black ice can be different to the one without black ice as in the black ice case chances are that there will be no warning. It isn't like coming to a stop or hitting a vehicle where you have time to see it coming even if it is in the 100 of ms range. Your wheel may slip with little to no warning. Therefore talking about it here isn't redundant with other thread since the context is different in my opinion but there is plenty of things to talk about on this subject.