Chrome Molly, I hope you were not offended by my using you as a 'straight man' and no razzing was intended your way. Although if you want I can email you some, it grows wild down here. I also appreciate Flyboy718 taking my post in the manner it was intended.

BTW, Chrome Molly, that is a most excellent online name!

I can sympathize with Flyboy718 as my Raleigh has the older non-hook rims. Mine are even marked H.P. for high pressure... Just not the high pressure our tires are made for today. One of the things I have learned from the VERY smart people on these forums is that good tires can make a 'gas-pipe' frame ride nice and cheap tires are.... well..... cheap. Very much you get what you pay for in more than mileage and puncture resistance but better ride quality as well.