Originally Posted by
nickw
I generally agree, except the part in bold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xreZdUBqpJs
Excluding MTB's, if anybody wants to see the durability of a Carbon 'road' type bike, go watch UCI CX race, bunnyhops, gnarly descents, crashes, etc. Much more intense that what a touring bike would see IMHO. I think a touring bike sees a higher constant stress, but as far as maximal stress is concerned, I think a cross bike has everything beat when ridden by a high level rider.
As an example of how overbuilt carbon parts 'CAN BE', many guys use carbon tubular ROAD wheels, before the CX specific stuff was in vogue. The DuraAce tubulars Sven Nys uses are low spoke count and he raced on them for YEARS with no problems.....it's a road wheel, not designed for bunnyhops or offroad riding but held up great and was considered a go-to wheel for many A racers.
ENVE forks are certified for up to 350 lbs FYI.
Well, when I say break, I mean "snap." I've seen carbon forks snapped and bikes snapped from traumatic impacts. I haven't seen that with steel. That does NOT mean that the steel wouldn't fail from the same crash! Only that it would bend. Some people make a big deal out of this, like bending is somehow way safer than breaking. But like I said earlier, when you're crashing hard at 30mph, the failure mode of your bike is the least of your problems.
So what I'm saying is I agree with you 100%. As someone who has toured and who currently races road and cyclocross, my experience aligns with what you're saying - maybe touring is worse in terms of constant low-level stress, but racing bikes are subjected to far more severe shocks, and short of actually hitting an immovable object, hold up to it just fine. Carbon fiber rims are a great example - they're a lot stiffer and stay true more readily than a lot of 32-spoke aluminum rims would. Cyclocross is such a great case study of how tough carbon fiber really is. Now, that's tough on a fork - but full-carbon forks are almost totally ubiquitous, even on steel or aluminum frames.