Unlike pastorbob, I am on the other side of the fence. I ride B-17's, which are a bit wider than the C-17. The C-17 created pressure points and hot spots for me that B-17's do not. I also did not like how I was not able to slide around a bit to adjust my weight. If the saddle was a bit wider, I think I would have kept it. I imaginge some of the grippy-ness would wear away over time. By way of reference, I don't care fro a Brooks Pro either, a bit to norrow. YMMV.