Thank you, very constructive reply, tonight before work if the light is correct and my pre-work nap went ok, I will try very hard to do as you suggested. Thanks, Charlie, If I can will throw in A few Italian bikes frames just for comparison and discussion topic. Funny how the camera can make a fork look bent or frame hit forward on. Just optics or angle views. I swore one time a gentleman ( and I apologized to him 1000 times ) he was trying to sell a bent frame as it appeared in the picture. To my surprise and totally being wrong from his camera angle as I saw it, I bought the bike as agreed, due to my ignorantly trusting the camera lens and being wrong totally. The camera can definitely play tricks or deceits with a fork or frame angle, the bigger the fork or frame the more exaggerated. Thanks for all the responses, turning into a very fun or inciteful thread, I appreciate all those responses. TO ALL BE SAFE,