Originally Posted by Roody

And of course, the sticking point is the large faction of people who cannot or will not discuss these issues rationally. They can call people who are trying to discuss it silly names, and engage in childlike denial that problems even exist, but real discussion of real problems in this world (and this forum) is constantly being drowned out by the "nattering nabobs of negativity."

The point is, there are real problems that face this world. Obviously, climate change is one of the most serious problems. Cars (and meat eating) are both aspects of the problem. Maybe not the most important aspects, but things that we ordinary people can do something about. Whether individuals choose to do anything is another issue, and whether they should do something is obviously a moral question that's open to debate.

(And it is pretty cool that doing the "right thing" environmentally is sometimes also th thing that's the best for your pocketbook and your health!)