Oh, and just to add. You are right, I'm not real sympathetic for the bike companies. They moved manufacturing overseas, and dramatically lowered production cost, but they didn't lower the retail cost, nor significantly alter configurations. $120 for riding shorts, that has very little to them, that I can get basically the same thing direct for $25. A jacket for $150, where similar with the same material at Wal Mart is $18 from Russell. I worked part-time at Circuit City many years ago. They had a great many "accessories" priced at $30, where the profit was $25-$26. Ever wonder why a printer cable is $35-$40, while the printer is $120-$150? So yeah, I got zero sympathy for such rampant greed.

QT