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Old 04-24-15 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly2High
No. It comes with a frame mount and goes next to a water bottle. Some of my jerseys have pockets too small even for a water bottle and I just do not trust them.

I had a feeling I would get a comment like this so I took a picture next to a water bottle. The pump, if I recall, is 11.8 inches tall.



It is FAR narrower and only about 2 inches taller than a Camelbak Big Chiller and people put THOSE HUGE FAT things in their jersey pockets. I guess you could too but I wouldn't. To me, it sits silently next to the water bottle.

Sure,a CO2 inflator is only about 5 inches tall so this is double the size in length. Of course if you line up a CO2 cartridge in front of the pump with a CO2 attached, it is similar in length . LOL OK, total volume of space used is about the same for a nozzle and 2 cartridges but that doesn't mean stowing a 12 inch item is as easy.


I guess you have to pick your battles. If you want looks or a clear bike, the CO2 is the way to go. If you want a pump, you have to choose between getting a larger one to pump up the tires faster and easier (this one is done just like a foot pump - no arms are used i the action) or get a smaller one because you do not like the looks and need arm power to inflate a tire. As for weight, this one is 194 gr. Without the gauge, I think the website says it is 150 gr. Looking at a simple vale plus cartridge like this one (SKS Airbuster CO2 Inflator), it weighs 113 gr with one cartridge and this one Genuine Innovations ProFlate Plus is 66 gr without the cartridge. Somewhere someone stated a pair of cartridges weighs 118 gr for 2 cartridges or 59 gr each (Cartridge weight was posted here: tire - What are advantages and disadvantages of CO2 inflators over frame pumps? - Bicycles Stack Exchange).

total weight( nozzle plus 2 cartridges) is :
So for a valve that is like 16 gr, total is 16 + 118 = 134 gr.
Lezyne Trigger Drive (26 gr) = 26 +118 = 144 gr.
For the Proflate Plus, 66 + 118 = 184 gr.

In the end, this HUGE pump doesn't weigh that much more than a nozzle and 2 cartridges. Add a 3rd and the pump can be lighter than a nozzle and 3 cartridges. If you do not want frosty fingers and get a pump like the Proflate Plus that has a full length container for the cartridge, you are now weigh in more than a gaugeless pump or within 10 gr of one with a gauge when you have 2 cartridges. With three, you now weight more than one with a gauge. I can see for guys doing centuries and longer carrying 3 cartridges: 1 in case either tire gets a flat and a spare.

but then nobody cares about weight....

I even do like the ones that have a container for the cartridge and most have the ability to put the cartridge in without puncturing the seal so it won't take up more room that a cartridge and a nozzle style.

Really, only the size of the pump is really what differs.




I will say, I too may become a convert or at least join in the co2 revolution to supplement. I can see where if it is raining or cold that the extra 3 minutes could be helpful especially if I am riding with the wife and daughter. I do see the time and place for them. At the same time, I tend to be a purist at times. I like flying model gliders because all I need is a small battery and I do not need motor packs or gasoline and can fly for over an hour. I like archery of lead discharge (can't use the word r!f1e) because it is more primitive. And there is something about pumping a tire by hand instead of using electric compressors and CO2 inflators that just seems to tie cycling together. Sometimes, I just choose the simpler, old school way of doing things.

Sorry if I came off a little harsh and defensive and I have not taken offense from anyone's comments. I hope I haven't offended anyone either.

Sincerely,
Frank
I bet you could start a gas turbine with that pump!
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