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Old 06-04-15 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by cale
Great, we agree. When the wheel stops rotating and the bike and rider continue forward, the wheel starts to skid.

In so much that you're convinced of the soundness of this conclusion. I think you are failing to add the coefficient of friction to your mental equation for surely you'll agree that on a slick surface the front wheel can skid. I'm not sure at what level of friction a rider goes over the bars but a skidding front wheel is a distinct possibility for a great many riders.
No, we don't agree. In a pitch over situation on a dry surface, the front wheel on a bicycle can continue to rotate. If you stop the wheel, the wheel doesn't slide but the rider and bike, i.e. the center of mass, continues forward, rotating around point 3 in the figure I posted. The hub allows the CG to rotate without the wheel converting from rolling friction to sliding friction. There is no "skid".

On a wet surface or even loose surface, the dynamics are going to be a bit different but not radically so. The front wheel may slide momentarily (we're talking fraction of a second) but the rider will quickly fall over because the front wheel has lost its gyroscopic ability to allow the rider to balance. The wheel will probably slip to the side because the rider is trying to compensate from the loss of the rotation in the front wheel and the bicycle and rider will crash rather than the wheel really "skid". You won't be sliding along on the bike with both wheels locked in the same way that you can slide a rear wheel.
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