Originally Posted by SJX426

For some unexplained reason, I have a preference for Italian steeds. My list of desirables is long and getting longer the more I frequent this site! Your list was fine until the statement of relaxed geometry frames. It might just be me but I don't associate Italian frames with relaxed geometry. That being said, I am sure there are plenty, just not the marques I have in mind, COICC is one of them.

So here is my list and you can do a search on this forum for each:

De Rosa
Colnago
Pinarello
CIOCC
Masi
Bottecchia - possibility here for you
Olmo
Bennetto
Tommasini
Gios
Bianchi
Cinelli
......

I would not discount other countries makes either, Japan, UK, Dutch, since you already mentioned Trek, USA. There are some fine French bikes too, just different dimensions of parts limiting options.