Old 06-16-15 | 09:25 AM
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It does but whether Trek sells frames separately these days is a question. I think I know what you're looking for and looking at the numbers, the Surly's effective top tube length is really out there -- sort of like my old Lemond BA -- which makes sizing a bit problematic when you're trying to the stem height up high enough to get the bars level with the seat. The new comfort/endurance frames simplify things as far as achieving the desired body position but the frames generally are a bit more compact than the old tour frame geometry --e.g., I just purchased a Felt 85 a few weeks ago and right out of the box the brake hoods are level with the seat, just by flipping the stem. The frame angles are similar to a tour frame but the cs-length is 1.3" shorter than what you're looking for.
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