Originally Posted by
repechage
Here is basically how I view angles. Forget what the drawing prescribes, why does one want to know the actual as built angles?...
The design and drawing are what was intended to be produced while the actual production frames may vary, especially on hand made models. I normally assign frame angles by the design/build intention, since measuring 10 hand built frames down to the tenth of a degree will likely result in 10 slightly different results, especially if they are different sizes. I think there is way too much over-analysis going on here.
Using one physical example of a specific model to measure is also a problem, I'll see if I can measure at least 10 to maybe 20 Schwinn fillet-brazed frames to find the angles based off the top tube. That won't happen today though.