Pat, you should see my new Thunder Ridge setup: 50/34 Sugino compact double, 11/34 cassette, Deore derailleurs front and rear with indexed 10 speed Dura Ace down tube shifters. 50/11 about the same as a 52/12. Shifts like buttah, much better than the Ultegra or DA FD I used before, because the cage is sized for the smaller ring and it's designed for a 16 tooth (or more) chainring difference.