Well, I have to update my PBK experience. I realized today that the shoes they sent me are Shimano R171W and I ordered the R171. My order and all confirmations say R171 not R171W. With that said they actually are very comfortable and I think my old pair of R087 where actually tight around the toe box so I probably need the Wide version of Shimano shoes. So works out in the end but still not what I ordered