Originally Posted by unworthy1

That white one is an early frame/fork and might be a San Cristobal model, the fork crown is just like mine (which IS a SC) and yes these predated the "Cincinnati Reds C" that the current decal set has. I'd bet this was built by Pelizzoli himself (or his helpers) where as the OP's frame was probably built in the later contract-shop that bought out the Ciocc name. The OP's is often referred to as a "Designer '84" due to the decal on the TT, but clearly TSD had different catalog model names depending on whether sold as complete bikes or as framesets. The "anthracite gray" color was VERY popular for this frame/model, probably more sold in that color than all others combined. Possible that the paint was actually applied by TSD in the USA, as their practice for some of the Italian bikes they sold was to import them as primered-only and paint locally. That practice is said to have 2 benefits: TSD paid a lower import duty on primered frames which were classified as "unfinished parts" and the USA paint was often better (if DuPont Imron) and neater.
In any case, I bet you'll be very pleased with this Ciocc when you build and ride it.