Classic & Vintage, not Classic or Vintage. To me this implies level of quality need be necessary. If we are talking about top tier road racing, touring, track machines I get excited. When the conversation flies towards big box store stuff; huffy, road master, the bottom half of the Schwinn line up etc. I lose interest immediately as in my eyes the "classic" element of this equation has left the building. But C&V is a matter of perspective and as such an open forum like this one is great. We all have the right to choose whatever thread we want to read/join, so I am happy with that.