Originally Posted by
robow
Gee, "I don't get no respect"
and as to the chain length thingy, though I wear a size 10, even shorter 430mm have never given me any problems
That's my experience with my Surly Ogre (431mm) chain stays and size 10 US shoes utilising my Tubus Cosmo and Rear Roller Classic Ortliebs.
I concede to some dog tail wagging with heavier loads though.