I rode LL Bean's Ranger Oxfords for years. Moccasin style upper with smooth but not shiny leather, soft rubber smooth soles and steel inserts in the soles. Plenty stiff enough to ride a 42-16 fix gear up Seattle's N 65th St from either side using the old Leotard Platforms and toeclips. (The soft leather upper got enough grip that I could pull for real.) I haven't tried the new shoes yet because every pair I have seen has used lugged soles which to not work in toeclips. If I could find those smooth soled ones again, !'d buy several pairs tomrrow.

Ben