Originally Posted by 79pmooney

As a driver at night, I find I am often looking primarily at the road, especially the road edge/bike lane boundary. (Keeping my vehicle where it belongs being #1 on my list.) As such, I find I am not looking for or noticing objects that are high. Lights or reflectors at the height of panniers I see right away. Not always so when they are on the rider's back or helmet. Most panniers have a square or the like of reflective material. I can't see that more would hurt anything. (Except for perhaps a sale or two for the retailer/manufacturer and a little more expense to make, all reasons why the manufacturer keep those squares small.)

My small gripe with Ortleib is that they are least visible at dusk and dawn from the rear witht he black fabric.

Ben