Originally Posted by
jowen
I suppose it depends on how you define winter; here in upstate NY that would be an early spring/late fall outer jacket.
I've found that I much prefer just layering with regular outerwear, since by the time it gets to be sub-30 degree weather you're not going to care a whole lot about back pockets, technical fabrics, etc. It's a whole lot cheaper and more flexible to use what you already have.