Originally Posted by
69chevy
I'll redeem myself later.

I think that your straight answers are enlightening. I am grateful too.
Your post above inspired me to read
Sheldon Brown's article on vintage bikes, which made me think that a long seat post and stem are part of the the way to make a modern bike vintaged and remove the influence of lawyers and criteriums. Reading it seems that to make a modern bike vintage one would need more flexible forks and rear, longer seat tube and (to reduce the influence of criteriums / racing in packs) a longer effective top tube. Lanced may go towards being vintaged. It also made me think I need to put my saddle further back.