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Old 10-10-15 | 01:47 PM
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RoadGuy
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Originally Posted by dddd
A few points about your comments above:

Suntour Accushift systems were designed for relatively primitive chains, and as such the shifters are designed so as to "over-shift" when moving to a larger cog. This actually became quite problematic when the 7s versions arrived, and many dealers never ordered another Suntour-equipped bike ever again.

Suntour freewheels, whether used for index or friction shifting, work better when paired with modern, 8s or 9s chain than they ever did back in the day.
The cog spacing on 6s Suntour Accushift freewheels is "standard", same as Shimano 6s. The spacings are uniform, no "uneven spacing". I have used many Accu-6 freewheels together with 9s chain, and shifting always improved, regardless of the shifter used.

I see very few people rebuilding their STI shifters or having them rebuilt. Usually some sort of soak-job is as far as anyone wants to go because Shimano does not supply any small parts for them.
I recommended the Microshift levers because they are new, fairly light, and cheap. I just bought another pair myself.

The 9s chain, especially, will widen the range of rear cogs usable without having to "trim" the front derailer position, so much so that I typically use the entire cog stack together with the big ring over an entire ride.
The newer chains are also far more tolerant of cross-chaining, and tolerant of sparse lubrication, yet can last many thousands of miles.

9s chain sometimes does not play nice with older chainring spacing, but usually it works perfectly under all conditions, even on 40-year-old Schwinns and Peugeots. Certain cranks like older Stronglight and SR Apex have particular problems with even 8s chain though, but this is easily corrected with minor modification to the small chainring, something I have been doing from time to time for over 20 years since it is always worth the effort to be able to use narrower, better modern chain.
Often an 8s chain would be a better choice on an old Accu-6 drivetrain, but note that with Accu-7 the 9s chain improves rear shifting quite dramatically, and Shimano's 9s chains have an edge above all other brands in terms of their ability to grab teeth.

I don't know why your post started with teaching me the merits of using downtube shifters. I do almost all of my riding using downtube friction shifters myself, so am also well-versed in riding with, and fine-tuning these old drivetrains, using modern chain exclusively.

The Sora shifters are a disaster imo, since they require the rider to swing their hand around the shifter in order to reach the mouse-ear lever while riding at high speed. This is many times more dangerous than dropping one's hand down from the drop bar to execute a DT lever shift, since one's hand will tend to bang against and snag the STI lever during that swing-around move, as one is riding over possibly rough ground at the highest speeds (right when you would want to shift to a taller gear). A downtube-lever shift is a comparative non-event! Let me say that for spirited riding at a bike's highest speeds, the Sora levers are dangerous imo, as I have seen riders swerving quite sharply while trying to execute a shift to a taller gear from the drops. It is made only worse when one considers the often-twitchy behavior of so many bikes that have been adjusted to fit the newer, less-fit rider, so I tend to use the mere sight of Sora levers as a warning to stay well clear of the bike/rider I might be passing.

So I will recommend keeping the DT shifters firstly, if the OP isn't set on using integrated shift/brake levers!

It's a fact that the cog spacing between cogs 1,2,3 and 5,6,7 is different on Suntour freewheels. It's documented, and it's visible if you look. Maybe the narrower 9-speed chains help improve shifting on Suntour index systems because they help overcome the difference in cog spacing? But what about the problem with the narrower chain jamming between chain rings because the chain is narrower than the space between the rings?
Maybe I misunderstood the meaning of your post. Seems to me like you made it sound like the only shifters that are worth using are 9 or 10 speed brifters? You didn't explain that what you didn't like was the thumb shifter button on the side of the least expensive shifters. I got the impression that you didn't feel downtube shifter were worth considering for a road bike.

Early metal brifters are repairable. There are posters on this site who have DIY explaining how to service them, AND you can get 7-8 speed metal brifters serviced by multiple individuals on eBay for about $35 each or $60 a pair There are also limited new parts available on eBay, but I think the least expensive way to get replacement parts is to buy donor brifters on eBay. The cost of new hoods for the 7-8 speed metal brifters is around $55 a pair, and you could get a pair of used brifters for as little as $15. In contrast to no parts availability offered for plastic brifters or 9 speed and higher brifters from Shimano, and NO ONE offering repair services for the 9 speed and higher or plastic body brifters.

Yes, the early brifters are heavy, and a new set while rare is still expensive. I still remember when the Ultegra STIs were first introduced and they sold for $500-$600 a pair, which is more than a complete, nice, new (aluminum or steel), road bike with a good tube set and downtube shifters sold for out the door.

I have a set of plastic Sora 8-speed brifters salvaged off a Felt F90 that cracked it's frame. This is the first set of plastic brifters I've had. Very little wear on them, and they appear to be working fine. I have not formed an opinion about the thumb button yet, other than seeing that it seems to work fine.

You seem to have a hangup about re-positioning/moving your hands. I don't see having to move to the hoods to shift as a big problem, any more than it is to move your hands off the handlebars to reach downtube shifters, although the hoods are the position that I am least likely to be in (I ride on the flats and the drops mostly, with little time spent on the hoods). Riding on the hoods is a habit developed by people who are used to using brifters, and not downtube shifters or stem mounted shifters (which I have no problem with either).

People adapt to the shifters they have. Just because a bike has Sora or other brifters with thumb shifters does not make the rider incompetent. What about the Campag STIs with thumb shifters? They have a considerable investment in their rides, enough so that you should consider them to be serious riders, yet you dismiss them because the bikes they are riding have thumb shifters?

So it sounds like you are recommending plastic (for lighter weight) brifters without thumb buttons. Is that the point you are trying to make?

The OP has a bike that is spaced 126mm at the rear drops. Are there any plastic brifters without thumb buttons for 7-speeds?
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