Originally Posted by
redfooj
not answering the first question, but the 20lb weight benchmark was surpassed a long time ago.... a solid entry level bike today is 8kg/17.5 and you can get a 7.5kg for just a tad more
Say what? What is your 'entry level' pricepoint? Off the shelf at an LBS, you're well over $1000 to get under 20 lbs. and to me, that's no longer entry level. Then again, I've seen Shimano 105 call entry level on this forum so maybe my entry-level meter needs calibration.