Yeah, in fairness, I think my frame was one of the first years they made them. Maybe they worked out whatever bugs were there, or maybe I got a lemon. I'm guessing most hybrid buyers would not be as decerning as I am. Anyway, I did put maybe 20 000 km on the frame, and it didn't break, so I'll give it credit there. I've broken more than my share of lugged steel road frames.